networking showeq

[coolzero16]

ok i got this message and through a bit o searchin ive come to think that its a networking problem


Using config file '/usr/local/share/showeq/showeq.xml'
Loaded preferences file: /usr/local/share/showeq/seqdef.xml!
Loaded preferences file: /usr/local/share/showeq/showeq.xml!
Listening for client: 24.220.226.45
Initializing Packet Capture Thread:
Filtering packets on device eth0, IP host 24.220.226.45
Loading filters from '/usr/local/share/showeq/filters.conf'
No Zone Specific filter file '/usr/local/share/showeq/filters_unknown.conf'.
Loading default '/usr/local/share/showeq/filters.conf'.
GuildMgr: WARNING - could not load guildsfile, /usr/local/share/showeq/guilds2.dat
Categories Reloaded
Error opening map file '/usr/local/share/showeq/unknown.map'!
Opcode Logging Mask: 0 0 0

so here's my setup

Gateway: Windows xp pc with two nics...one cabel goes to hub and the other to cable modem

Linux box: cable running from hub to linux
(redhat 8.0 by the way)

So in showEQ I clicked Network----->Monitor EQ Client IP Adress and then I typed the IP Adress of the gateway NIC on my windows computer...

didnt work...so i tried all the other windows ip addresses (ip, subnet, and gateway) (and on the other nic of windowsi tried Ip and mask)

since ive tried all ip addresses now im not quite understanding why it will not work. let me know what u guys think thanks!!!!

[baelang]

the topology you have chosen will not work. you cannot use your windows machine as a router and still get EQ packets monitored.

see one of the many many posts that describe workable and non-workable netwrok schematics.

[coolzero16]

ok thanks i hadnt considered the topology was wrong..i thought maybe there were some settings that i had to manually configure..i took one nic out of the gateway windows and put it into the linux box

[coolzero16]

- cable modem
|
linux
|
- hub -windows


ok it has to be this way for the equipment i have (no router) when i start up linux eth0 FAILS and theres no internet what soever now rather than just showEQ not working..

so i set up

cablemodem-linux

a very direct connection as you can see...still no internet period any ideas?

[Cryonic]

Talk to your cable company.

[compuboy86]

Two thoughts: First, is Linux setup with DHCP? I had the same problem that RH 8 didn't like a direct connection at first but play around with the network settings. Second, since your win comp had a direct connection to the internet, there was absolutely NO reason for the box to send packets through the hub, thus no packets were being seen by the SEQ box. Do yourself a favor and buy a router (see other FAQs) so your topo looks like this:

Internet->cablemodem->router->hub->SEQ/Win box

Hope this helps!

Compuboy86

[baelang]

If your cablemodem has an ethernet interface, why not just hook up the linux box, the windows box, and the cable modem all 3 up to the hub?

[coolzero16]

Originally posted by baelang
If your cablemodem has an ethernet interface, why not just hook up the linux box, the windows box, and the cable modem all 3 up to the hub?

i know that doesnt work you need either a router or two nics in one pc to act as a gateway.


as far as the buying a router idea...i was hoping that it could be done with two nics...id rather play around with trying to get this to work for 5-6 hours then buying a router cuz thats how many hours id have to work to pay for one :)

i am using dhcp by the way so it should have been automatic

also i was able to get an internet connection established using the windows pc as a gateway so i know the nic isnt broken...i dont understand why i could network the linux computer through a windows gateway but i cant do so vise versa OR even establish a connection at all now on the linux box.

does anyone here use two nics in one pc instead of a router???

[fryfrog]

hooking your linux box, windows box and cable modem to a hub WILL work. just set your windows box to obtain an ip via dhcp and you don't even NEED to let your linux box have an ip (just a simple "ifconfig eth0 up" will bring it up w/o an ip. you can sniff just fine w/o an ip. if you need to update or get stuff off the net, you should be able to /release the ip from windows and "dhcpcd eth0" to get an ip in linux and there you go.

yes, lots of people put 2 nics into a computer and use it as a router. if you are having trouble building one from a linux distro that is more of a general purpose distro, you could try something like freesco (http://www.freesco.info) or ipcop (http://www.ipcop.org) or some other linux router distro :)

this woudl of course require a 3rd computer, but freesco will run on pretty much anything with a floppy drive.

[coolzero16]

ok screw it going to buy a router.

[baelang]

Originally posted by coolzero16


i know that doesnt work you need either a router or two nics in one pc to act as a gateway.



it will work just fine assuming:

1) you don't need an ip address on your linux box most of the time. see fryfrogs post. (your linux box won't be able to access the internet unless you release the IP on windows and put it on linux. most likely you don't have static IPs and are not permitted 2 IPs without paying extra.)

and

2) you aren't using a cross-over cable.

and

3) your hub is really a hub.

[coolzero16]

hmm well i went back to trying to establish a direct connection between my cable modem and ONE NIC..i completely removed all configurations..then i took out the com card and reconfigured the realtek 8139 (using dhcp of course) that will not work!

so i spose it will be pointless to decide on a topology for seq if no connection can be established at all. any ideas?

[compuboy86]

You only have one NIC in the windows box or linux box? If its the Linux box (and I know this doesn't make sense but its the ONLY thing I can think of) then your ISP may not support it directly (unless you have some other gateway that masquerade the IP addys) You would think that DHCP is DHCP- nothing to it, however when you use ethreal on my Linux box, the network is constantly (one packet a second or so) sending what is dubbed "V2 Customer Account Information" to my provider (Cox Cable) Like I said- the ONLY reason I can think of is that your ISP's packets cannot communicate directly with your Linux box...they might use some crappy protocol or what not....Just my 2 cents.

Compuboy86

P.S. Buy a router!

[coolzero16]

i called midco. and they said they dont offer technical support, but they have heard of numerous people setting it up with no problems as long as its dhcp...which it is.

what i realllllly dont understand is, i had this etup before i found out it would not work with showeq


_cable modem
|
windwos
|_hub
|_other windows/linux

THIS worked just fine for getting the internet to work....but no damn packets would come through which i come to find out this topology doesnt work with showeq as mentioned to me earlier

why would that "more" complicated setup work and not a simple direct connection? grrrr damnit @#$%#@!

[fryfrog]

obviously you don't quite understand how tcp/ip traffic works. lets use a sewer system example.

you have 3 tiolets in your house that all empty out into the street.


---> toilet 1 ----> toilet 2 ------> toilet 3 -------> sewer system

now, lets pretend that your seq box is toilet 1 and your eq box is toilet 3. lets pretend EQ is sitting on toilet 3 and shitting. notice how the shit flows right to the sewer system?

what you WANT is for eq to be sitting on toilet 1 and shitting, and SEQ could be on toilet 2 or toilet 3. SEQ can watch the shit as it flows by and figure out what you had for dinner. did that help any?

as to your OTHER troubles, it will work but this is not the right place to get help with it. the easiest solution is to go buy a 2 port cable/dsl router and hook your hub to the router, the cable modem to the router and follow its easy to use instructions that it should come with.

as a hint, your cable provider MAY lock the cable modem to the mac address of a certain network card.

[BlueAdept]

Originally posted by fryfrog
---> toilet 1 ----> toilet 2 ------> toilet 3 -------> sewer system


Boy you have an interesting way of grabbing a concept and turning it into vivid reality.

[jbarrio5]

I quite agree, this forum is for SEQ, not basic TCP/IP, I suggest that you go out and buy "TCP/IP Network Administration" by Craig Hunt from O'Reilly.
You don’t have to read the whole book, just the first 3 chapters and the chapter on routing, it's quite enlightening.
You see the problem is that you want something to work without investing any time in learning how to use it. SEQ has been kept hard for that very reason, if you don’t know basic Linux and Networking, you really shouldn't be using it.
If the developers or any of the users for that matter, wanted people like you using it, it would all come packaged in a nice RPM (they are quite simple to make).

Last but not least, use the search button! It works wonders, because what you have been asking has already been answered!

RTFM!
Best acronym ever.

Search Button
Best tool ever.

[coolzero16]

ok i understand it now and i got the basic direct connection to work. i alled midco (cable company) and the guy i talked to said resetting the cable modem so the mac adress will reset could not be done...so i called back again and the second guy said they had to do it manually FROM midco wherever they are located becuz the cable modem was designed to NOT forgett he mac adress..he also said he wouldnt reset it becuz it was obvious i wasnt usingt he nic provided by midco....i asked him if i had signed any contract to use THEIR nic and he said no..then i asked him for his name and employee # so that when i contacted proper authorities i could turn him in for trying to holdme to a service agreement i never agreed to...............he reset the cable modem :D

now i just need to get this setup to work (internet--->seq/gateway---->windows/other pcs but im going to go do a bit more research since you get a pole shoved up your ass for asking questions here :)

[BlueAdept]

Originally posted by coolzero16
im going to go do a bit more research since you get a pole shoved up your ass for asking questions here :)

No...you get a pole shoved up your ass for asking stupid questions or for asking questions that have been answered many times before.

[Gilson]

If you DO buy one of those routers, make sure not to use it as your hub. They all come with switches in them, which SEQ won't work with. Plug your modem into the WAN port on the router, and then run an ethernet cable from the uplink port on the hub to one of the regular ports on the router. If you plug the EQ/SEQ box both into the router, the SEQ box won't be able to see the traffic intended for the EQ box.

[Poncho]

Woot, I think we have our very own "Skater-Gnome" on this forum!!

How do I know? Just "becuz"

I currently am running a P-XVII connected straight to the core of the internet with 100 gigs of pc9000 memory and a 5ft diameter fiber-optic line hooked to my "switch" - why cant I get SEQ to work?

Hey, did you all ever see that golfer with $5000 worth of clubs, dressed in full Nike gear like Tiger and cant hit shit? Kinda reminds me of that.....

:p

[baelang]

Originally posted by fryfrog
---> toilet 1 ----> toilet 2 ------> toilet 3 -------> sewer system

...

what you WANT is for eq to be sitting on toilet 1 and shitting, and SEQ could be on toilet 2 or toilet 3. SEQ can watch the shit as it flows by and figure out what you had for dinner. did that help any?


actually, SEQ dosen't need to be shitting..errr.. sitting on any of the toilets, it just needs to be able to look down into the sewer pipe. this could be through a toilet, through a sink or shower drain pipe, or even through a clean-out cap.


ok, to convert to more "technical" terms, as posted above... showeq does not need to have internet access or even a valid IP address to work. it is possible to set up your windows box with one NIC and the cabel modem as before and still have SEQ work.

cable modem --- Internet
|
hub --- windows
|
SEQ

now, SEQ won't have internet access because it won't have an IP address. you won't be able to update CVS and such this way. all you gotta do is switch back to your origional configuration (move one wire) to download the new files, then switch back to this set up.

cabel modem --- Internet
|
hub --- windows --- SEQ

(move the SEQ cable from the hub to NIC2 on windows, cvs -z3 update, then move the cable back to the hub.)

Of course, don't try this today, cause we just had a patch and SEQ wont work anyway.

[coolzero16]

ok is it possible to also use NIC2 to relay it back into the hub...then use the remaining ports to connect other windows computers?

so it would be like this

cable modem --- Internet
|
|
| |'''''''''''other windows computers
hub --- windows----
| |_____________ |
|
|
|
SEQ

i HAVE to have other windows computers on here otherwise i have to back to trying to get thsi to work

internet---linux----hub----other windows pc's


also if i buy a router and do this:
# (Internet) <--> (Gateway NAT Device) <--> (HUB) <--> (SEQ/EQ/Other computers)

would i be able to set up everything dhcp or would i still have to go through ip masq blah blah blah?

[cbreaker]

It really doesn't even matter if the seq box can get to the internet, is on the same subnet at the windows machine, or whatever.

As long as your linux box is plugged into the same hub as your windows box, on the side that the internet connection is on, seq will be able to pick up the EQ data from the line and do nice stuff with it.

[coolzero16]

i understand that but i need other windows computers to have fully functional internet capabilities therefore hooking everything up to a hub doesnt look like its going to work for me since only one computer will be able to have internet access

but lets sum this thread up im starting to get a headache from it and im sure yall are beyond annoyed with me by now

if i buy a router and do this...

internet---seq----router----hub---several windows pc's

will i have to play with any settings in linux or will it be DHCP?

[h3x]

cable modem
router
|__>hub
_____|_________
| | | |
hub seq eq computer
|
|____
| |
seq computer

2 eq systems static ip
2 eq tuned to the ip and port

not a problem

:D

o yea ALL systems have internet access

[baelang]

Originally posted by coolzero16
i understand that but i need other windows computers to have fully functional internet capabilities therefore hooking everything up to a hub doesnt look like its going to work for me since only one computer will be able to have internet access

but lets sum this thread up im starting to get a headache from it and im sure yall are beyond annoyed with me by now

if i buy a router and do this...

internet---seq----router----hub---several windows pc's

will i have to play with any settings in linux or will it be DHCP?

in that case SEQ can be the router(NAT), and you don't need to buy anything (except maybe a second NIC)

[who_me_use_seq]

Yay, through the mysteries of the NAT shall ye be saved. Questioneth not the NAT, but put your faith in the NAT and by its grace shall ye browse again. The bounteous fields of porn shall open wide to you, and you will know the pleasures of spam in their fullness. Even the humblest of Internet Gateway Routers holds within it the spark of freedom that is the NAT.

[coolzero16]

thats pretty sick h3x

bout ready to give some hot phone sex if you'd walk me through getting this set up :D

annnyways...i found a few more interesting ip masq. articles and this program called squid that sets up a proxy server for ICS, u guys heard of it? after i read em hopefully they will knock some sense into me otherwise ill be back with some more noobish questions

[cbreaker]

I have one linux box running seq for three, sometimes four windows machines running EQ. Using VNC for access to the linux box, and Session Tracking in SEQ, it works quite nicely. Sometimes there's problems with SEQ crashing when you run it with three people playing EQ on the wire, but overall it works well.

So, no need to have a seperate linux box for each seq, they can be windows machines running vncclient.

Easier to maintain too.

[baelang]

Originally posted by coolzero16
bout ready to give some hot phone sex if you'd walk me through getting this set up :D

Woot! i knew i'd get paid someday.

[coolzero16]

O M G..what is this...am i typing this message from my windows computer becuz ICS is working??? I THINK SO!!!!

woot sHOW EQ HERE I COME BIZZniTCH!!!!!!!

[Stixaw]

OK I am getting this error at this time.

I am setup with and XP box doing the Nat connection as My linux machine is a IBM600E

It was working great

Cable > XP box 2 nic >hub > second xp box / Linux laptop

I have my internal network on Static Ip's and suddenly the Linux is not getting any network connections it seems.

So I know this configuration works as this is how I have run this set up since the beginning and it was working even when I upgraded the 2k box (duel nic) to become the XP box.

I can only think it could be this horrible 10mbps hub I need for showeq to work.

So looking at hardware now