Scott Peterson - guilty of double murder?

[board Lizard]

we were talking about this in 10th grade study on monday, 4th period. one of the study hall watcher ladies was reading the paper and it had the story in it

but i dont think he did it, i mean why would he? there was no motive @ all, and even if there wuz, woudlnt he have run away from the country after it happened? i mean, common.. the poor guy stuck around to try and help the police. why would a murderer do that?

[casey]

Originally posted by board Lizard
we were talking about this in 10th grade ........


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

suddenly, it all makes sense.
what happened to

Originally posted by board Lizard
Actually I’m a junior because I’ve been attending a university for 3 years now (at the end of this semester.)

cant keep your multiple newbie troll personalities in order?

and if you really want to be a troll, you might want to look past the obvious. war, religion, current events.... too easy.


Originally posted by board Lizard
10th grade


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[board Lizard]

sometimes i lie about being older to try and fit in and make myself feel better about being so young :(

have you no heart?

[Elyon]

Well, regardless of your age or whatnot, he DID have a motive. He had a Girlfriend on the side and had just a month earlier, taken out a HUGE insurance Policy on his wife. He didn't leave the country because he couldn't claim the insurance unless there was a body or 7 years pass. Also, just 1 week after she went missing, he sold her car. Strange behaviour for a Grieving Husband, No?

Lastly, when they arrested him, he had 10K in CASH on him.. Think he wasn't gonna run?

[Zeppo]

Single murder, yes.
Double murder, no.
You can't count the killing of the fetus since by law it was not a person yet.
Or at least I think I heard someone arguing the case that way.
I could be wrong.
Feel free to flame.

[Elyon]

Hmmmm, I don't know the laws of that State, but at 8 months, it was almost full term, so in that aspect of it, I would say yes.

[OgerSEQ]

Ok, I have been out of the loop on this one, so i have a couple questions. First, who are these people? I know the story and what happened; I just want to know why this is such a big deal and is national news...

Sounds to me like your everyday murder/kidnapping/missing persons and whatnot. Yeah, I may come of as a jerk but who cares?

[z26o]

Originally posted by board Lizard
sometimes i lie about being older to try and fit in and make myself feel better about being so young :(

have you no heart? Sure, it just stops beating in the presence of liars! :rolleyes:

[Elmo]

I just want to know why this is such a big deal and is national news...

I think one aspect that makes this a news story is the close-to-full-term fetus that was killed along with the mother. Murdered pregnant women tend to hit the headlines.

Otherwise, there's plenty of drama and mystery with the girlfriend on the side, the insurance policy, the dyed hair and cash, bodies washed up on the shore, which all generally makes for a good news story.

[OgerSEQ]

Ok, just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing anything. Just one of those wierd coincidences in which the powers that be decided that this one story should get 100x the coverage of any other double murder; honestly this sort of thing happens alot. It's only convenient that it happened in California ;) . I figured the guy was famous and we were in for the next OJ.

I don't know the law in CA, but in Florida, if an unborn fetus is killed, it's considered manslaughter( I think it's a second degree felony, min 5 year sentence). I don't know if the fact that the mother was killed would change that. That law is basically to cover, say, beating your wife and the unborn child dies, whether or not your intent was to kill the child.

One thing I do know, any jury would fry his sorry ass for that, providing he is found guilty, of course.

[fryfrog]

i read about this case on news.google.com, the odd thing is that a mere few weeks earlier the EXACT same thing happened else where. a LEGAL immegrant (my spelling sucks) went missing. she was pregnent about 8 months along. the father was a married man (he was NOT married to the pregnant woman). he reported her missing though, and i don't think he was a suspect at all. i believe it was just a random murder, but the same type of thing happened. missing for a while, body turned up and i believe the almost-born baby else where.

the comparison was the earlier incident recieved barely a mention in the LOCAL news, let alone national news. the woman you guys are talking about was from the same city as the girl who went missing that was also having an affair with that senator guy.

seems kind of ... i really can't even think of the word but it would imply that the news media (and audiance i assume) just latch on to what ever they want ... lothsome?

anyway, its not for me to decide if he is guilty or not as we cannot possibly have all the facts. just because you think he didn't have a motive and the fact that he didn't flee the country doesn't mean he is innocent... and conversly... just because he took out life insurance on his wife (and i believe it was 1 year earlier, not 1 month), sold her car and/or had $10k on him when he was arrested doesn't mean he is guilty.

[Hobo]

What kind of a stupid poll gives you a choice of "Yes, but she probably deserved it"?


I mean what the hell are you saying when you only give people a choice of saying he is innocent or he is guilty but she deserved it? Damn this kind of thing pisses me off. Who the hell DESERVES to be killed along with their unborn child? Pull your 15 year old head out of your ass and grow up. NO ONE deserves to be killed, especially when an innocent soon-to-be-born child is snuffed out also.

I hope the ass that did this is castrated and then stoned to death slowly and painfully. And I hope some day you grow up to realize that no woman deserves to be beaten or die violently at the hands of another person as this woman did. Your poll disgusts me.

[StarZman]

Your poll disgusts me

I couldn't agree with you more Hobo.

[Elmo]

I don't know the law in CA

From an article on CNN...




under California law, the killing of a pregnant woman that kills her unborn child can be considered a double homicide, making the case eligible for the death penalty.

[SlowNLazy]

You're a sick idiot for even thinking of those options... Might be prudent that you warn any current and all future girlfriends about your abnormal grasp on reality...

Try him on double... regardless of law.. sort of like taking a 17yr old minor and trying him as an adult.. Same thing.. Try him for 2 murders, especially knowing that the baby was healthy, mom was healthy...

Then try him for being a sh!tty father... I'll go with the fact that maybe he hated the mother... /whatever ... BUT the kid.. come on guys... be a BIG FUGGING MAN about it and own up to your responsibilities... You stuck it in.... sperm happens... now deal with it...

At the least if found remotely guilty.. chop his nuts off.. obviously he cant be a real father...

[Pigeon]

Originally posted by Hobo
NO ONE deserves to be killed <snip> I hope the ass that did this is castrated and then stoned to death slowly and painfully. Foot -> mouth.

[QuerySEQ]

What kind of a stupid poll gives you a choice of "Yes, but she probably deserved it"?

I was thinking along the same lines Hobo. That shows the irresponsibility of some of the younger people. (Thus, I also say they dont need to be behind the wheel of an automobile until they are at least 19).


And I hope some day you grow up to realize that no woman deserves to be beaten or die violently at the hands of another person as this woman did. Your poll disgusts me.

This is truth in the extreme. "How?" Some may ask..

Women are still put beneath men. Regardless. Women are considered less than men by alot of "MEN". Being a man, doesn't make a you better than a Woman. No woman OR man, deserves to be beaten or die violently at the hands of another person...


10th Grade, Junior in College... whatever. While you are still learning, learn the value of human life. Learn and feel what it MIGHT have been, to BE that person. Learn how important it is to be honest to others, and be honest to yourself.

[Lyroschen]

Originally posted by board Lizard
sometimes i lie about being older to try and fit in and make myself feel better about being so young :(
Lying shouldn't make you feel better about yourself.


Originally posted by Hobo
What kind of a stupid poll gives you a choice of "Yes, but she probably deserved it"?
Agreed, not a smart way of setting up a poll. It's possible that this is his way of dealing with such a horrible incident. It's a hallmark characteristic of desensitization, and if a teacher generates an in-depth descussion on this in a 10th grade history class.... hmmm.... well, that gets into a different topic.


Originally posted by OgerSEQ
I just want to know why this is such a big deal and is national news...
In addition to the drama, if there is any question on whether or not an unborn child counts as a human, this case could set a precident that gets cited in the future regarding other cases involving unborn children.

Edit: Corrected a typo

[RavenCT]

At 8 months, the baby in the womb was most likely viable... Meanning that if it was born, it had a very good chance of surviving.

As far as the beating and murdering of not only his wife but of a very small child, I get the feeling that he is going to get some payback in prision. There is a lot of scum in prison, but even a lot of that "scum" has it's limits... They REALLY don't like child abusers and murders? Well, I think he might have some "accidents"

Now, I'm not some do gooder preaching about how someone shouldn't eat meat and that using horses for farm work is abusive to the animals, etc, but I think that people are correct that Women in this day and age are still considered below many Men and positions of power. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that that's the way things still are. For crying out loud, take a look at how Women were treated by the Taliban in Afghanistan!

I have small children at home and I'm apalled at anyone that is found to have abused a child. I've also lost a daughter at 5 days old to a congenital heart defect, so I also understand what a catestrophic loss that really is, that STILL doesn't excuse ANYONE from ever hurting a child.

What is the sickest thing is that when you look at all the races of animals on this planet, were the only ones who murder each other for things other than survival. Actually, "murder" is a premedittated act involving consious decisions to committ the act... To the best of my knowledge, there isn't any other life form in the planet who has that ability. Some times I wonder how "superior" we actually with that peice of reptillian brain still in all of us (Yea yea yea, I could go on for hours...)

[board Lizard]

Agreed, not a smart way of setting up a pole.

Yeah, and I agree that its not the smart way of spelling this kind of POLL either.

Maybe the POLE you're used to is the kind you smoke.

::Slurp Slurp::

[Lyroschen]

LOL, kinda funny you picked me out of this whole thing to attack, BL. ::shrug:: Maybe my typo made me your only real target. Doesn't matter, you're probably still lashing out from the embarassment of being caught in a lie. Feel free to lash out at me. It's only text, and I don't mind. \\=^ )

[board Lizard]

actually i just thought it would be funny.

[Aurelius]

Personally, I will wait until I see what is presented as evidence before I jump to conclusions. Sure circumstantial evidence is pretty easy to paint a wide picture and is the easiest to use to by prosecutors. I haven't heard enough about the case yet. I believe in real evidence, hard evidence. And motive is being inferred also as far as I have heard. Like the fact that he had 10k in cash and had face hair. I'll wait for the trial.

And as far as the second 'murder' case. Well, I believe the fetus had some semblance of status as it was too old to perform an abortion on, was viable and healthy. I believe this case is dependent upon the primary conviction of the mother's murder. Like a death that results from the commission of a felony. Tough luck.

But I don't believe in convicting anyone because of TV or news paper stories. I need to hear the facts of the matter, not speculation drawn by an emotional woman or other family member. nuff said.

[judar]

If it is decided that there is sufficient evidence that Mr. Peterson did consciously and with intent murder either victim then he should be put to death. This needs to be done because we simply cannot allow him to murder anyone else. Notions of whether he deserves this verdict or that it may be some type of fitting revenge are irrelevant. Moral standings do not apply. This is the result of breaking the law and being caught.

As far as imprisoning him is concerned, I don’t believe that this is a worth-while effort. As, far as I can tell, Mr. Peterson has no outstanding value to his community or the human race. There is no rational reason to expend further effort and resources to keep him alive yet detained. If it is decided that Mr. Peterson has committed these crimes against the law, then it is my opinion that Mr. Peterson has forfeit his rights to the pursuit of happiness and should be dealt with as a threat upon the livelihood of those with which he has contact and summarily destroyed before any further activity on his part can render harmful effects on any other individual.

These would be my opinions on any similar issue.

[dirfrops]

Personally, I would rather see him sentenced to life in prison, the most heinous (sp?) prison system on the planet, and let the prison population take care of him...his life sentence won't be very long...and at least the prison inmates can do what we have ALL wished on him (if he's guilty....actually guilty...just cause someone is found guilty, doesn't mean they are, but then as someone prior stated that humans are the only animals that murder...we are also the only animal that judges others)

Anyhow...start of with removing his scrotum with a dirty pair of scissors...let him walk around with his testicals hanging out...then..oh forget it...there are little kids reading this (points at board Lizard)...

He'll die...sooner or later, whether or not if he's guilty...pfft.

[M_Frohike]

Originally posted by RavenCT
There is a lot of scum in prison, but even a lot of that "scum" has it's limits... They REALLY don't like child abusers and murders? Well, I think he might have some "accidents"


Sorry to say that I doubt he'll be put in the general population. He'll get death row with his own cell. 1 hour of excercise a day under "close" watching.

M

[EnvyEyes]

I can't believe people still respond to anything board Lizard posts, anymore. After blatantly admitting that he is nothing more than a Troll.... /boggle


Originally posted by board Lizard
Actually I’m a junior because I’ve been attending a university for 3 years now (at the end of this semester.)

I also know full well what a semaphore is and how to implement one, as for all of my other posts.. In case you haven't noticed by now, probably due to the high levels of retard in your blood stream, I’m a troll.

And if you're in doubt of my trolling ability, then I would point you to the first post I made (which was later renamed something along the lines of "How to lurk something") and was also stickied in the RRRRRRRRR section for some time, but i'm far too lazy.
Casey made note of part of this same post earlier. The entire post is
here (http://seq.sourceforge.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3166) if anyone cares to subject themselves to board Lizard's mindless banter.

... too bad there isn't an /ignore feature on the forums.:p

[dirfrops]

Wow...Poor boardLizard...doesn't know how old he is AND he admits to being a troll...I, being a fairly capricious user of message boards, never knew what a "troll" was in the sense used on message boards...oh I had my speculation as to its definition and was happy to say I was correct in my assumption...below is a definition of troll I found on Dictionary.com...and I must say board lizard...if you confess to being a troll, what a sad life you lead...at least according to the below definition, which, might I add, does quite an ironic job of trolling you



Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University


troll

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3.
[Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS
students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab
policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves
lurking in dark cavelike corners. I'm sure we all know what board Lizard is doing there...if he's old enough

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower
category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing
some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See
also Troll-O-Meter.

[board Lizard]

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies"


cant keep your multiple newbie troll personalities in order?

Sure, it just stops beating in the presence of liars!

I hope the ass that did this is castrated and then stoned to death slowly and painfully.

What kind of a stupid poll gives you a choice of "Yes, but she probably deserved it"?

I was thinking along the same lines Hobo. That shows the irresponsibility of some of the younger people. (Thus, I also say they dont need to be behind the wheel of an automobile until they are at least 19).

10th Grade, Junior in College... whatever. While you are still learning, learn the value of human life. Learn and feel what it MIGHT have been, to BE that person. Learn how important it is to be honest to others, and be honest to yourself.

And I hope some day you grow up to realize that no woman deserves to be beaten or die violently at the hands of another person as this woman did. Your poll disgusts me.

It's a hallmark characteristic of desensitization

there are little kids reading this (points at board Lizard)...

The entire post is here if anyone cares to subject themselves to board Lizard's mindless banter.

Looks like I win, "newbies."

[casey]

Originally posted by board Lizard
Looks like I win, "newbies."

then i guess the jokes on you....